John 17:11?
There really is so much liturgical variety in the world. I saw these two ceremonies recently and thought that they provided a very deep insight into how two very different cultures approach the same action – the worship of God. Reading the following passage of Holy Scripture made me think a bit: “Holy Father, keep them in thy name whom thou has given me; that they may be one, as we also are.” John 17:11.?
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If the point is that they would be wary of a group that would allow such a form be promulgated, that is a valid point.
I pray that the West gets its liturgical house in order quickly. Clearly our beloved Holy Father has set the Church on this road; may God grant that the process goes ever onward to restoration.
Happy Easter to the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer!
....... I'm spraining my fingers as I force myself not to take the bait. ;-)
David
The liturgy in the second half of the video is horrible and painful to watch, yet on that basis alone can we assert that it is objectively not Catholic?
Granted, the Bugnini liturgy is an obstacle to the conversion of the Orthodox. Nevertheless, in the final analysis, schismatics will have to answer for their own schism. They won't be able to blame Bugnini.
David
in the following link Fr. Michael Azkoul tries to explain differences between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism.
http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/ortho_cath.htm
However, it is my opinion that in modern times the Divine Liturgy has undergone tremendous changes and influences, as proved by the second half of the Video, which have weakened the Sense of the Sacred.
My Prayers are with You All
A.B.
Interestingly, the SSPX find themselves in a similar position to the Orthodox, insofar as they look at Mahoneyfest and say: "I refuse to be in communion with that!" By contrast, a Catholic who values unity with Peter as a pearl of great price will look at Mahoneyfest and say: "I don't like it, but if the Pope recognizes those people as Catholic, so do I."
Unity isn't easy.
David
Although it's not much consolation, the LA travesty did not occur on Good Friday. It happened at the end of the annual Religious Education Conference last month, I believe.
Matthew,
As much as I'd like to agree with you, the reality is that the Novus Ordo isn't going away. Take it from one who lives and breathes (and worships) in Novus Ordo land. While the worst liturgical abuses, like Mahoneyfest, will hopefully fade away, the run of the mill, bland Novus Ordo experience seems to be here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future.
The challenge before us is not how to bulldoze the Novus Ordo and replace it with the Gregorian Rite, but rather how to live as ONE with our Novus Ordo brethren. This is life in the trenches. It's what our Holy Father expects of us. Unity isn't easy.
David
Although it's not much consolation, the LA travesty did not occur on Good Friday. It happened at the end of the annual Religious Education Conference last month, I believe.
Matthew,
As much as I'd like to agree with you, the reality is that the Novus Ordo isn't going away. Take it from one who lives and breathes (and worships) in Novus Ordo land. While the worst liturgical abuses, like Mahoneyfest, will hopefully fade away, the run of the mill, bland Novus Ordo experience seems to be here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future.
The challenge before us is not how to bulldoze the Novus Ordo and replace it with the Gregorian Rite, but rather how to live as ONE with our Novus Ordo brethren. This is life in the trenches. It's what our Holy Father expects of us. Unity isn't easy.
David
Would that we be one - I'm afraid it's a long way off where God is the center of attention.
Jerry
Jerry, I don't know if it is true that "most" ordinary Catholic gravitate to hip-hop liturgy such as shown in the video. That's a very extreme example.
David
I didn't express my thought precisely enough - what I meant is that the typical NO'er would compare the Orthodox worship and the Mohoney thing - and be attracted to the hip music, dancing etc. It's what they get at their churches most of the time. My wife and I were "forced" by scheduling problems to attend our local NO Mass recently - when the drums and banjo started banging, we walked out - I feel very confident that God understands, and I did not confess missing Mass that Sunday.
Jerry
The FSSPX has just finished her rosary crusade for the Consecration of Russia to Our Ladys Immaculate Heart by the Holy Father in union with all the worlds bishops on one specific day, per Our Ladys request to Lucia.
When this Consecration takes place, as it will presently, all of Russia will be converted to the Catholic Faith and there will be a period of peace in the world.
As Our Blessed Mother promised.
God bless and be at peace.
Hope.
Dan Hunter
Lively music? DANCING??
... the second half of the video is a Mahoneyfest?!
Thank GOD I stopped at 1:15 !!
If Mary's haste in responding to the last two Rosary Crusades is any indication, you might be right!
Let us hope.
David
Unfortunately, the Eastern Catholics are also fast embracing reforms inspired by the Novus Ordo (ad populum liturgies, severely abbreviated liturgies, etc.). In the run-up to the upcoming Synod of Bishops on the Eastern Churches (October 2010), there have been calls for accelerated liturgical reform in the Eastern Catholic Churches. In the "lineamenta" for that Synod (released in January of this year) one of the questions is: "Do you think the liturgy needs to be reconsidered to some extent?"
In Russia and Serbia there are major debates among the Orthodox as some of their theologians, influenced by the Orthodox living in the USA and Western Europe, are also clamoring for liturgical reform -- although the reforms they want are mild by Catholic standards.
I've documented a bit of all these in Rorate Caeli.
Carlos
PS: Alongside NLM, Patriarchia is one of my chief sources of "liturgical eye candy".
f God in LA. We have much to learn from our Orthodox bretheren (priests & laity) about the sacred celebration of our liturgy. Thank God that LA will soon be rid of it's self centred archbishop & please God the Church will be saved from liberals who want to protestantise the Holy Mass. It will be saved when the usus antiquor is returned in it's glory
David O'Neill (UK)
My children - now grown adults - have known and will worship God. I doubt they will ever dance to liturgical music