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Monday, September 27, 2010

Communicatio in sacris - III - Blessed Urban V to St Peter Thomas

Blessed Pope Urban V
1362 - 1370

Blessed Urban V's cultus
was approved by
Blessed Pope Pius IX (1846–78)
in 1870.

Blessed Urban V gave his legate in the East,
St Peter Thomas, Latin Patriarch of Constantinople,
permission to share with non-Catholics "in divinis",
with this limitation,
that the permission did not extend
to those excommunicated by name.

St. Peter Thomas
Latin Patriarch of Constantinople.

Born about 1305 in southern Perigord in France,
Peter Thomas entered the Carmelites when he was twenty-one.
He was chosen by the Order as its procurator general to the Papal Court
at Avignon in 1345.
After being made bishop of Patti and Lipari in 1354,
he was entrusted with many papal missions
o promote peace and unity with the Eastern Churches.
He was translated to the see of Corone in the Peloponnesus
in 1359 and made Papal Legate for the East.
In 1363 he was appointed Archbishop of Crete
364 Latin Patriarch of Constantinople.
He won a reputation as an apostle of church unity
before he died at Famagosta on Cyprus in 1366.


Oliver said...

I hear the SSPX is setting up shop on Stronsay for the faithful and those priests and brothers who did not defect. How do you respond to this challenge?

Anne B said...

Google dictionary gives "desert" as a synonym for "defect".

To have gone onto the Barque of Peter was surely to have deserted only a sinking ship?

If the previous comment is not mere rumour, no "challenge" is admissable.

Jack said...

And this question relates to the article about Pope Urban V and St. Peter Thomas just how, Oliver?

St. Jude Pray For Me said...

Dear Oliver,
the Transalpine Redemptorists must ignore the SSPX challenge
but the Faithful, and the Faithful only, will respond making their own choice.
Dear Rev. Fr. MM, F.SS.R.
if the Catholic Church have to preserve its own identity, in the same way it is right and proper to show respect for non-Catholic religions sharing with them "in divinis" even if adopting the right limitations.

With All Respect

Anonymous said...

I know she is not the Supreme Pontiff, but I wonder what St Margaret Clitherow would think about praying with heretics?

Here is what the Transalpine Redemptorists said about this great Saint:

The martyr coming to the place, kneeled her down, and prayed to herself. The tormentors bade her pray with them, and they would pray with her. The martyr denied, and said, ‘I will not pray with you, and you shall not pray with me; neither will I say Amen to your prayers, nor shall you to mine.’
Cruise the Groove.

K Gurries said...

Thank you for providing these historical examles of how "norms" have been adapted to meet the needs of particular circumstances or in light of some higher pastoral goal. There seems to be a good lesson in all of this.

gabrielle said...

That is old news. SSPX are being extremely petty staying in Stronsay when there are many places in the world that have no Latin Masses. I use to have huge respect for them but that has certainly changed as it appears that the heirarchy seem more happy at getting back at any priests and religeous that don't do as they want instead of bringing the Latin Mass to as many people as they can. There are so few Catholics on Stronsay and there is no reason at all that they cannot go to the Sons of the Holy Redeemer's Masses and Sacraments. As I say it should be about the Mass but in this case the SSPX has made it about themselves and in my opinion is spiteful.

wheat4paradise said...


Rumor and gossip aside, from whom or what precisely did the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer "defect"? The concept of "defection", strictly speaking, presupposes a prior membership. From what body did the FSSR sever themselves? If it be a body of lesser gravity than Holy Church, then I submit that they merely quit the orbit of human respect.

Jack said...

\\I know she is not the Supreme Pontiff, but I wonder what St Margaret Clitherow would think about praying with heretics?\\

St. Margaret was refusing to pray with people who hated the Catholic Church at a time when she was being officially persecuted by government policy.

This is HARDLY the case of the Pope being invited by the Anglican Abp. of Caterbury to join him in prayer at Westminster Abbey--which was originally a Catholic Church to start with.

The two events cannot be justly compared.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the clarification.

Does anyone have any references to The Holy Fathers before Vatican II meeting in prayer with Protestants in their buildings?
Thank you

Cruise the Groove.

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